Rotor Temperature Estimation Using Node-Based Thermal Loss Balance

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Solution Overview

Problem

Existing methods struggle to accurately estimate and predict the temperature of a rotor in rotating electric machines, particularly in hydroelectric machines, due to the challenges posed by metallic laminations causing heat losses and the rotating nature of the rotor, which complicates direct measurement and existing models are not applicable.

Innovation Solution

A method for estimating and predicting rotor temperature by selecting nodes in the rotor and stator, calculating energy balance based on power and energy flow, using available parameters like rotor current, voltage, and speed, without additional sensors, to account for copper, iron, and ventilation losses.

Engineering Contradictions & Design Principles

VSEngineering Contradiction Analysis

1Measurement precision

If direct measurement methods using thermocouples are used, then temperature measurement accuracy is improved, but device complexity and reliability deteriorate due to installation difficulty and maintenance requirements

Engineering Contradiction:
Improvetemperature measurement accuracyVSAvoidinstallation and maintenance complexity
Core Design Contradiction:
Measurement precisionVSDevice complexity

Solution Approach 1:

The patent uses an intermediary thermal model that mediates between difficult-to-measure rotor temperatures and easily measurable stator temperatures. The model acts as a virtual sensor, translating accessible electrical measurements into rotor temperature estimates without physical contact, thereby avoiding the complexity of direct thermocouple installation while maintaining measurement accuracy.

Inventive Principle:
Principle #24Intermediary (Mediator)

Solution Approach 2:

The patent replaces the mechanical thermocouple measurement system with an electrical-field-based thermal model. Instead of physically inserting sensors into the rotor, the system uses electrical measurements from the stator and a computational thermal model to estimate rotor temperatures, substituting a complex mechanical sensing system with a simpler electrical measurement and calculation approach.

Inventive Principle:
Principle #28Mechanics substitution (Replace mechanical system)

2Device complexity

If existing transformer thermal models are applied to DFIM rotors, then modeling simplicity is improved, but measurement precision deteriorates due to fundamental differences in loss components and rotating operation

Engineering Contradiction:
Improvemodeling simplicityVSAvoidtemperature prediction accuracy
Core Design Contradiction:
Device complexityVSMeasurement precision

Solution Approach 1:

The patent adapts the thermal model by changing key parameters specific to DFIM rotors, including copper losses, iron losses, and ventilation losses. By modifying the loss calculation parameters and thermal resistance values to reflect rotor-specific conditions rather than transformer conditions, the model maintains structural simplicity while achieving accurate temperature predictions for the rotating machine.

Inventive Principle:
Principle #35Parameter changes

Solution Approach 2:

The patent introduces dynamic elements to account for the rotating operation of the DFIM rotor. The thermal model incorporates rotational speed variations and their effect on ventilation losses and heat dissipation, transforming a static transformer model into a dynamic rotor model that adapts to changing operating conditions while maintaining computational efficiency.

Inventive Principle:
Principle #15Dynamics

3Loss of information

If additional sensors are installed on the rotor, then measurement capability is improved, but device complexity and reliability worsen due to the rotating nature and harsh environment

Engineering Contradiction:
Improvetemperature data availabilityVSAvoidsensor reliability in rotating environment
Core Design Contradiction:
Loss of informationVSReliability

Solution Approach 1:

The patent employs the stator as an intermediary measurement point to indirectly infer rotor temperatures. Rather than placing sensors directly on the rotating rotor where reliability is compromised, the system measures temperatures and electrical parameters on the stationary stator and uses a thermal model to calculate rotor temperatures, thereby obtaining the needed data without exposing sensors to the harsh rotating environment.

Inventive Principle:
Principle #24Intermediary (Mediator)

Solution Approach 2:

The patent creates a virtual copy of the rotor thermal state through computational modeling. Instead of physically measuring rotor temperatures with sensors, the system generates a digital replica of the rotor's thermal conditions by solving the thermal differential equations based on stator measurements, providing accurate temperature information without physical intrusion into the rotor.

Inventive Principle:
Principle #26Copying

4Reliability

If real-time temperature monitoring is implemented, then operational safety is improved, but device complexity increases due to continuous calculation requirements

Engineering Contradiction:
Improveoperational safetyVSAvoidreal-time calculation complexity
Core Design Contradiction:
ReliabilityVSDevice complexity

Solution Approach 1:

The patent performs preliminary setup by defining the thermal model parameters, thermal resistances, and loss coefficients before operation. Once configured, the real-time monitoring requires only substitution of measured electrical values into pre-established equations, significantly reducing the computational complexity during actual operation while maintaining continuous safety monitoring capability.

Inventive Principle:
Principle #10Preliminary action

Solution Approach 2:

The patent implements a balanced level of real-time calculation by focusing on critical temperature points in the rotor rather than computing the entire thermal field. By calculating only the most relevant temperatures needed for safety monitoring, the system achieves adequate operational safety without the excessive computational burden of a complete thermal analysis.

Inventive Principle:
Principle #16Partial or excessive action

Applied Scientific Principles

This section explains which scientific principles are used to turn an abstract innovation direction into a practical engineering solution.

Function Achieved in This Case

Enables real-time temperature estimation and prediction, preventing overheating and damage by allowing for proactive adjustments to machine parameters, thus extending the rotor's lifespan and ensuring safe operation.

Implementation Method 1

a step of estimating and/or predicting at least one temperature of said rotor, based on the balance of the power and/or the energy that flows out of the at least one node and that flows into the at least one node

Methodology Applied
Scientific EffectEnergy balance:

Implementation Method 2

due to the metallic laminations that form the rotor, the rotor experiences losses that produces heat

Methodology Applied
Scientific EffectJoule heating: Joule Heating

Implementation Method 3

the rotor experiences losses that produces heat. Some parts of the rotor may even reach temperatures above acceptable limits

Methodology Applied
Scientific EffectHeat transfer: Convection

Data Source

PatentEP4582780A1Method and device for estimating the temperature of a rotor
Publication Date: 2025.07.09 GE RENEWABLE TECH
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AI summary

The invention concerns a method for estimating and/or predicting at least the temperature of asynchronous or induction machine, for example a DFIM , connected to a grid, said rotor comprising : - a stack of steel laminations (25), each steel lamination comprising an inner part (26), also called the yoke, surrounded by teeth (28); - a rotor winding (32), integrated between teeth (28), in which the rotor currents flow, the method comprising: a) a step of selecting one or more steel laminations of said stack of steel laminations, b) a step of selecting at least one node on each of said selected steel laminations in the yoke (26) and/or in the teeth (28) and/or in the rotor winding (32), c) then a step of estimating and/or predicting at least one temperature of said rotor, based on the balance of the power that flows in said at least one node, and that is dissipated by the at least one node.