Certain aspects of the present disclosure relate to methods and apparatus for wireless communication. More particularly, aspects of the present disclosure generally relate to techniques for wireless communications by a first apparatus comprising a first interface for obtaining, via at least one receive antenna, first and second training signals transmitted from a second apparatus via at least first and second transmit antennas having different polarizations, and a processing system configured to determine, based on the first and second training signals, one or more characteristics for different transmit-receive antenna pairs, each pair comprising one of the first and second transmit antennas and the at least one receive antenna, and generate, based on the one or more characteristics, a parameter indicative of a rotation of the first apparatus relative to the second apparatus.